Michael Gene Sullivan - the Talking Mime of San Francisco Mime Troupe

1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,350 Green Room on Air. 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:09,990 Green Room on Air, the podcast that you, beyond the and into parts of the Intertainment world. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:12,550 Hello everybody. 4 00:00:12,570 --> 00:00:17,610 You have reached Green Room on Air, and as always, this is Ray Renata, your host. 5 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:25,590 Hope you're doing well on this beautiful Thursday afternoon when I'm recording this. 6 00:00:27,015 --> 00:00:34,605 I don't know what time it is where you are, but I hope the sun is shining and that God's love is beating upon your beautiful face. 7 00:00:36,435 --> 00:00:38,295 I have no idea where that came from. 8 00:00:39,135 --> 00:00:43,815 It just came out of my mind somewhere in the corners of my mind. 9 00:00:45,465 --> 00:00:46,005 Yeah. 10 00:00:46,005 --> 00:00:49,635 We have a great guest for you today and I'll get to that in a minute. 11 00:00:49,635 --> 00:00:53,415 His name is Michael Jean Sullivan of the San Francisco Mime Troop. 12 00:00:54,390 --> 00:01:00,750 Not the kind of mimes that you're thinking of, not your Marcel Marcel mime. 13 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:08,180 They're a different kind of mime, and you'll hear about what they're doing, kind of cool. 14 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:10,480 His his company, San Francisco m Troop. 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,420 It's been quite a week. 16 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:16,210 What I'm really into right now is the Tour de France. 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,550 I love the Tour de France, or as the French said, the. 18 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:25,280 And people who also speak French correctly, not me, apparently. 19 00:01:26,750 --> 00:01:28,190 It's so dramatic. 20 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,000 I watch it on the television. 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,630 The only problem is it's five hours long and I cannot sit there for five hours. 22 00:01:35,630 --> 00:01:47,910 I do have somewhat of a life, so what I do is I watch pieces at the beginning and in the middle, and then I fast forward to the last 10 kilometers, which is where everything happens. 23 00:01:48,915 --> 00:01:51,915 And it's some of the best drama you'll see on the television. 24 00:01:52,845 --> 00:02:00,800 You can watch it on peacock or if you, I think you can get it on a regular NBC Sports channel as well. 25 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,340 I don't know. 26 00:02:01,345 --> 00:02:07,820 I, I have peacock and, and then I also record it on my Hulu Live thing. 27 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:10,840 TV is complicated now. 28 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:17,120 When I was a young whipper snapper boy, there were three or four TV channels. 29 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:21,500 And a couple u HF channels that didn't come in very well. 30 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:22,310 And that's it. 31 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:35,115 And then U HF came later and the cable came later, but you had your channel two, you had your channel four, your, your channel five, and your channel seven. 32 00:02:35,355 --> 00:02:41,385 And then if you were an intellectual type, you could watch K Q E D on channel nine. 33 00:02:41,865 --> 00:02:43,095 That was all there was. 34 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:56,010 And then I was excited when the U H F came along because then I could watch channel 20 and channel 44 and see ultraman and, and speed racer and stuff like that. 35 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:00,420 All right, why don't we get to our guest. 36 00:03:01,470 --> 00:03:03,540 I'd like you to welcome if you will, Mr. 37 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:05,130 Michael Gene Sullivan. 38 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:08,160 He's an actor, writer, director, teacher. 39 00:03:08,985 --> 00:03:16,845 Who's committed to developing theater of social and economic justice of political D, self-determination and musical comedy. 40 00:03:17,175 --> 00:03:17,685 Woo-hoo. 41 00:03:18,075 --> 00:03:27,195 Michael is also an alum of the nationally Acclaimed Playwrights Foundation, a Jussi F Center Artist Fellow. 42 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:29,835 I looked that up actually. 43 00:03:30,345 --> 00:03:32,925 It's a, I think it's a grant that's given to. 44 00:03:34,215 --> 00:03:38,475 Artists and they, and they go, they live up in the Santa Cruz mountains and do their arts. 45 00:03:38,475 --> 00:03:39,195 It's kind of cool. 46 00:03:39,825 --> 00:03:42,975 And in 2022 he was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship. 47 00:03:43,305 --> 00:03:44,265 That's pretty impressive. 48 00:03:44,895 --> 00:03:46,185 Well, the guy is very impressive. 49 00:03:46,190 --> 00:03:53,075 He's one of these people, you wonder if they sleep because they must not in order to do all this stuff. 50 00:03:53,075 --> 00:03:53,555 They do. 51 00:03:53,975 --> 00:03:57,905 Michael is an accomplished veteran of Bay Area Theater. 52 00:03:58,565 --> 00:04:11,375 He's also a collective member and resident director of the Tony Annabi Award-winning Obi Award-winning San Francisco Mind Troop, where he has written, acted in and or directed over 30 plays. 53 00:04:11,375 --> 00:04:22,175 I like to say directed because that's what they say in England, and I went to school there and it makes me feel cool and important to say, directed as a playwright. 54 00:04:22,175 --> 00:04:27,305 Michael's work has appeared across the United States as well as in Germany. 55 00:04:28,055 --> 00:04:43,115 Italy, Mexico, Spain, the Netherlands, Argentina, Australia, United Kingdom in Colombia, Hong Kong, Canada, China and Ukraine. 56 00:04:43,355 --> 00:04:43,835 Wow. 57 00:04:44,165 --> 00:04:47,185 He's also the writer of the New musical, and this is the ba. 58 00:04:47,315 --> 00:04:52,995 The main thing that we're promoting here today is his new musical called Breakdown. 59 00:04:53,745 --> 00:05:11,055 Which will be performed by the Tony Award-winning San Francisco Mime Troop from July 1st, which already happened, but you got plenty of time because it runs until September 4th, 2023 at various locations. 60 00:05:11,055 --> 00:05:19,035 All you have to do is go to the San Francisco Mime Troop website and it's all there and it's all free. 61 00:05:20,265 --> 00:05:22,380 Isn't that cool? Free theater. 62 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:23,490 Hey, they do good stuff. 63 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:25,680 I've been going to their shows for years. 64 00:05:26,370 --> 00:05:29,160 I've auditioned there a lot too, but I've never been cast. 65 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:40,720 But I go to their shows and they're always very thoughtful, very funny political and, but not in a way that is off-putting. 66 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,390 It makes you think and it makes you laugh. 67 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:46,320 They're, they're just very creative and very professional. 68 00:05:47,340 --> 00:05:48,120 And the music's. 69 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,290 The music's always fun. 70 00:05:50,490 --> 00:06:00,750 So without any, God, I hate saying this, but because it's such a cliche term without any further ado, but I'm gonna say it anyway. 71 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:08,280 Without any further ado, I bring you Michael Gene Sullivan. 72 00:06:14,670 --> 00:06:16,470 So thanks so much for being here. 73 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:18,245 Thank you for having me talking to you. 74 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:22,435 You have, you have a new show for the summer as mine. 75 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:22,825 True? Yep. 76 00:06:22,945 --> 00:06:23,755 Always does. 77 00:06:23,755 --> 00:06:25,195 It's called breakdown. 78 00:06:25,405 --> 00:06:25,825 Mm-hmm. 79 00:06:26,095 --> 00:06:26,305 Mm-hmm. 80 00:06:26,545 --> 00:06:27,955 I, I read all about it. 81 00:06:28,105 --> 00:06:33,535 What, what inspired you to write this production? Well, we were trying writer. 82 00:06:34,045 --> 00:06:34,315 Yeah. 83 00:06:34,315 --> 00:06:34,645 Right. 84 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:46,240 We were trying to come up with something I really wanted, I wanted to talk about something that was dealing with the politics in San Francisco right now, but also how the city is being portrayed nationally. 85 00:06:46,570 --> 00:06:46,750 Mm-hmm. 86 00:06:46,995 --> 00:06:56,410 You know, and then the co-writer Marie Cartier, who's also a collective member at the M troop, she wanted to do a show about mental health because she is a social worker. 87 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,840 Her day job is, she's a social worker in San Francisco. 88 00:06:59,650 --> 00:07:03,880 And so she was a lot that there are a lot of issues around her that she felt people didn't understand. 89 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:08,660 People didn't see it as an issue, a political issue enough. 90 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:17,995 And so she came to the collective and said, well, can we do a show about mental health and, and the folks living on the streets? And I was like, well, I, yeah. 91 00:07:18,025 --> 00:07:20,125 But I wanna make it about everything. 92 00:07:20,125 --> 00:07:20,215 Mm-hmm. 93 00:07:20,815 --> 00:07:29,725 About that individual's breakdown, but also how our systems are breaking down in terms of our the, how the city takes care of people. 94 00:07:29,755 --> 00:07:33,865 How the bureaucracy has become something that feeds itself and no longer helps people. 95 00:07:34,285 --> 00:07:39,895 How the bureaucracy around housing has become about creating bureaucracy and not actually housing people. 96 00:07:40,455 --> 00:07:53,135 And then the bigger thing about how do you break down a whole country? How do you lead a country to a breakdown by gaslighting them by telling them that the real problem is you know, liberal policies. 97 00:07:53,135 --> 00:07:59,795 The real problem is progressive policies rather than the real problem being the same old trick, trickle down greed that we've always had to deal with. 98 00:08:00,035 --> 00:08:00,305 Yeah. 99 00:08:00,755 --> 00:08:03,155 So there were these three levels of breakdown. 100 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:18,090 And then that's been putting those together to make it so that the show is really kind of telling a thick description of what happens to this one woman who's living on the streets, the woman who's trying to take care of her, and the social worker who's trying to take care of her. 101 00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:25,080 And the Fox News reporter whose job is to portray San Francisco as a failed progressive experiment. 102 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:27,480 Great. 103 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,110 I love it. 104 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,950 It's such, it's such a big issue right now and yeah. 105 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:39,870 Now the, one of the things that I find interesting is homeless or unhoused. 106 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:44,070 The people are often looked at as animals, I guess. 107 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:44,940 Mm-hmm. 108 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:50,640 There, there is a, a channel on YouTube called Soft White Underbelly. 109 00:08:51,285 --> 00:08:53,025 You really might wanna look at this. 110 00:08:53,415 --> 00:09:06,255 He's a guy down in la He's a, he is a former photographer for Apple and he interviews most pe mostly people on Skid Row in LA and in his studio. 111 00:09:06,255 --> 00:09:08,325 And it's so incredibly interesting. 112 00:09:08,955 --> 00:09:14,295 I, these pe most of these people are so amazing. 113 00:09:14,385 --> 00:09:17,365 They have incredible backgrounds in lives. 114 00:09:17,365 --> 00:09:19,585 They're, some of them are super smart. 115 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:20,800 Yes. 116 00:09:21,010 --> 00:09:24,510 They all have, almost all of them had horrible childhoods, mm-hmm. 117 00:09:25,170 --> 00:09:27,690 And then ended up with drugs and mental illness. 118 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:32,190 But they're incredible human beings, like amazing stuff. 119 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:32,340 Yeah. 120 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:39,010 And that's, that's the thing, like you were saying, the dehumanization of your fellow citizens mm-hmm. 121 00:09:39,460 --> 00:09:41,170 Is the first step. 122 00:09:41,695 --> 00:09:47,775 Towards being able to dismiss their needs and dismiss your responsibility towards them as fellow citizens. 123 00:09:48,245 --> 00:09:56,645 Last time I checked about 70, 75% of the people who are homeless in San Francisco used to pay rent in San Francisco. 124 00:09:57,065 --> 00:09:57,365 Hmm. 125 00:09:57,455 --> 00:09:58,325 People don't know that. 126 00:09:58,325 --> 00:10:03,005 They think, oh, where do they think peop the unhoused come from? They, you say 5%. 127 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:04,040 Yeah. 128 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,490 Okay. 129 00:10:04,730 --> 00:10:05,060 Wow. 130 00:10:05,180 --> 00:10:06,110 That was the last time I checked. 131 00:10:06,110 --> 00:10:07,070 It was a few years ago. 132 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:07,220 Yeah. 133 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:15,270 But that idea that these people spring up like mushrooms on the streets or something, and it's like, no, they paid rent here. 134 00:10:15,275 --> 00:10:19,170 They lived in San Francisco and they've been either priced out. 135 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,160 Then the number one reason that people become homeless is medical bills. 136 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:25,260 You know? Yeah. 137 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,370 It's not people think, oh, well there's this or that, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no. 138 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,270 The. 139 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:38,070 Medical bills and our lack of, you know, free universal healthcare in this country has led a lot of people to lose their homes. 140 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:43,590 But just because they lose their home doesn't mean that they want to leave the city that they're in. 141 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:45,840 That's where their support system is. 142 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:46,290 Yeah. 143 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:55,530 So if you live in San Francisco and you simply lose your, you, you, you know, like someone might have a situation where their husband or wife needs full-time care. 144 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,740 So they leave their job to take care of this person. 145 00:10:58,740 --> 00:10:59,880 They're not just gonna dump them. 146 00:11:00,510 --> 00:11:00,780 Yeah. 147 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:06,210 But the, but then the medical bills eat up their savings and then they lose their home. 148 00:11:06,660 --> 00:11:08,550 The person passes away and now they're homeless. 149 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:21,570 And now trying to get back into trying to get a job when you're homeless is extraordinarily difficult, you know? So there are a lot of ways that people can fall through very wide and common cracks. 150 00:11:22,215 --> 00:11:25,605 To fall into homelessness and are being unhoused. 151 00:11:26,175 --> 00:11:34,845 And then we, we blame those people if they have human reactions, you know, if they're drinking, if they end up on drugs, if they're struggling emotionally. 152 00:11:35,055 --> 00:11:38,325 All of those things that are reactions to their desperate situation. 153 00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:38,585 Yeah. 154 00:11:39,135 --> 00:11:49,365 Now some people are there because of prior addictions and, and untreated mental illness, and some people are there because of economic problems and frequently it's just both. 155 00:11:50,385 --> 00:11:58,715 And so when, as long as you see the unhoused as not you, it's easy to distance yourself. 156 00:11:58,745 --> 00:12:01,385 It's easy to look down on folks. 157 00:12:01,535 --> 00:12:08,735 It's easy to just see them as there's circumstances, something they did to themselves without realizing how close you are to that. 158 00:12:09,215 --> 00:12:09,335 Mm-hmm. 159 00:12:10,145 --> 00:12:14,755 You know, and they talk to how many, Americans being only so many paychecks away from being destitute. 160 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:15,640 Right. 161 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:28,510 You know, what does that look like? What does it really look like? You know, if you can't move back in with your parents because you're a older person and your parents have passed away, you don't, may not have any children, your children may not be in the area. 162 00:12:29,410 --> 00:12:37,930 We're re you're really pretty close to being in the Great Depression, where homelessness was huge. 163 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:53,870 And so it has been the job of our corporate government to make sure that we do not see taking care of our fellow citizens as kind of a civic responsibility, It's supposed to be individual philanthropists. 164 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:59,780 It's, or and if people don't wanna accept that it's their own fault if they're having mental problems, we don't. 165 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:05,630 Look back at the sixties, seventies and eighties when we were shutting down institution, mental institutions. 166 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:10,740 that was a, an overreaction to a, a previous problem. 167 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,550 And now we're back to the problem where people, there's not enough care for them. 168 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:25,050 It is again, one of those situations where you should judge, you judge a society by how it treats the most vulnerable, and the unhoused are the most vulnerable. 169 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:38,520 And so the heartlessness that we are encouraged to have, and the idea that, oh, you're doing something if you, I mean, how many times have any of us heard some civic leader say, well, we're gonna set up a commission. 170 00:13:39,555 --> 00:13:50,925 To examine something, rather than doing something, you set up a commission and you might spend a million dollars on the commission cuz you're paying those commissioners and then they come up with something and then they go, yeah, we can't afford to do that. 171 00:13:51,315 --> 00:14:04,285 It looked like you did something, you spent money, but in the end what did you achieve? You know, we need to and it's not like, in San Francisco they'll always say, well, we wanna have affordable housing. 172 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:07,660 But even that is a kind of a crap term. 173 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,250 Everything's affordable. 174 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:19,720 If you have enough money, if they want affordable, hou really affordable housing, why don't they peg it to the minimum wage? Right? You know, just it's minimum wage gig. 175 00:14:20,050 --> 00:14:23,750 But instead they peg it to median income. 176 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:28,190 Which in San Francisco means you can make over a hundred thousand dollars. 177 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:34,220 Still, I think it's $104,000 for four person thousand and below that you're in poverty. 178 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,540 Yeah. 179 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:43,550 And, and that means that someone who's making $104,000 and they've got a spouse for two kids, they can get housing subsidies. 180 00:14:44,410 --> 00:14:48,980 But that means that all of the people who are making $40,000, there are less places for them. 181 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,410 There are fewer places for them. 182 00:14:51,800 --> 00:15:04,350 And what we need to do is stop trying to, when they build, whenever they say they're gonna build affordable housing, it's always gotta take the people who are making hundreds of thousands of dollars into consideration. 183 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:11,850 What about them? But if we just build housing for the minimum wage folks, just, that would bring everything down. 184 00:15:12,860 --> 00:15:18,560 that would bring all the rent down because it would flood the market with stuff with apartments and open up other apartments. 185 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:30,120 This idea that to basically divide the workers, it's always about dividing the workers, always making somebody in the working class despise someone else. 186 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:33,960 Somebody who's doing not as well as them to distance themselves from them. 187 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:43,000 And when it comes to San Francisco right now the city is, you know, I mean, we're openly not run by progressives. 188 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,880 People, you know, are our mayor and other folks, especially the mayor, are very much like, no, no, no. 189 00:15:49,310 --> 00:15:54,030 She's at war with progressive, she's a moderate and she's at war with progressives. 190 00:15:54,390 --> 00:15:57,360 But progressives get blamed for all the problems. 191 00:15:58,380 --> 00:15:59,100 Yeah, lately. 192 00:15:59,610 --> 00:15:59,850 Yeah. 193 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:00,390 Yeah. 194 00:16:00,780 --> 00:16:15,250 And so, but that, you know, the national press uses that to say, see, and they don't wanna say, oh, well the, the national economy is down There's people who are struggling to have jobs in Wisconsin and Ohio and all over the country. 195 00:16:16,090 --> 00:16:19,270 And that's all because of trade policy. 196 00:16:19,275 --> 00:16:34,520 And, and, George Soros, whatever they wanna blame in all of those situations in in conservative areas, people struggling in conservative areas aren't their, it's not their fault, but if people can struggling in what they see, liberal areas, then it's liberal's fault. 197 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Yeah, yeah. 198 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:36,810 You know? Exactly. 199 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:38,510 Hmm. 200 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:54,620 So now comedy, what do you think is going on in San Francisco? So, like, I've lived here my whole life and I've seen versions of this type of thing over and over again. 201 00:16:55,380 --> 00:17:08,705 It seems that the, the form of government with the supervisors and special interests sort of, At play against one another within super supervisors offices. 202 00:17:09,155 --> 00:17:11,345 It, it leads to nothing being done. 203 00:17:11,495 --> 00:17:11,585 Yeah. 204 00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:16,325 Is is that what it is? I mean, it just seems like they could do something. 205 00:17:16,325 --> 00:17:16,715 They could. 206 00:17:17,405 --> 00:17:18,605 They could do something. 207 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,225 It seems like they're doing nothing. 208 00:17:20,735 --> 00:17:20,795 Yeah. 209 00:17:20,795 --> 00:17:27,905 Other than creating a larger industry to support the homeless through private groups, right. 210 00:17:28,495 --> 00:17:36,715 Who then become, which is a way to just become de that, then those people's incomes become dependent on making sure that they're always still are homeless. 211 00:17:37,285 --> 00:17:43,375 And then you have this endless cycle where nothing's gonna change, is it? Do I have that right? That's what it looks like to me. 212 00:17:43,385 --> 00:17:45,115 Well, I think, or tell me if I'm wrong. 213 00:17:45,205 --> 00:17:46,435 I mean No, no, no. 214 00:17:46,435 --> 00:17:47,455 It's neither right nor wrong. 215 00:17:47,460 --> 00:17:50,395 It's just, but cause I've just been trying to figure it out here. 216 00:17:50,395 --> 00:17:51,865 There's so many, there's so many problems. 217 00:17:52,195 --> 00:18:00,565 I mean, I think that part of it is who runs San Francisco, in my opinion, in my research and the March did a show about this. 218 00:18:00,925 --> 00:18:03,265 It, we are very much run by contractors. 219 00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:04,010 Okay. 220 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,730 That the city is always building stuff, whether we need that stuff or not. 221 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:10,940 And they're gonna build the things that they can make the most money off of. 222 00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:19,665 So we ended up, when all these corporations, they, there's so many empty offices downtown in San Francisco. 223 00:18:19,755 --> 00:18:21,405 No, but they're still building more. 224 00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:25,165 Oh really? and they make much more money off of high end. 225 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,470 Condos and apartments, and they do off of public housing. 226 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:37,990 So what contractors will come in and say to the mayor and to the board of supervisors is we promise to build, say 80. 227 00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:38,980 We're gonna build a hundred units. 228 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:41,380 We're gonna build 'em in different places in the city. 229 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:47,350 We're gonna build 20 high end units over here and 80 low income or affordable units over here. 230 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:51,790 We have to build these first, we have to build the high ones first. 231 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:55,570 They build that one first, and then they say, sorry, we went over budget. 232 00:18:55,780 --> 00:18:57,010 They declare bankruptcy. 233 00:18:57,190 --> 00:19:00,550 They still sell off and make their money off that, and they never get to the other ones. 234 00:19:01,030 --> 00:19:04,480 And it happens over and over and over again. 235 00:19:05,050 --> 00:19:17,120 Or they, and we'll also have situations like the Twitter deal that the previous Mayor Lee made, which was a terrible deal where they, they said Twitter didn't have to pay taxes, city taxes for like, whatever it was, 10, 15 years, something like that. 236 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:26,810 Oh, anybody with a modicum of business understanding would know that as soon as that deal sunset, Twitter was gonna say, we are either gonna move. 237 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:30,740 That's just what they were gonna do. 238 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:32,300 They were always gonna do that. 239 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,440 And they did it. 240 00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:37,160 As soon as it came up time, they said, oh, we're gonna leave, or You have to extend the deal. 241 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:43,790 And so now we're in this weird limbo, the soup that, that, it was so easy to outsmart everyone with that one. 242 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:55,410 But, but what is, that, that when you're in a very profit driven capitalist society, people can't figure out how to make money off of the poor. 243 00:19:55,935 --> 00:19:57,075 So they wanna ignore them. 244 00:19:57,075 --> 00:19:57,135 Yeah. 245 00:19:57,375 --> 00:20:01,245 They can't figure out how to make money off of public housing so they don't build it. 246 00:20:01,845 --> 00:20:17,305 It's always, well, where do we profit from this? And San Francisco has become gone from being a somewhat progressive having somewhat progressive leadership in city to basically being the libertarian suburb of Silicon Valley. 247 00:20:17,935 --> 00:20:18,325 I see. 248 00:20:19,525 --> 00:20:21,115 Cause that's what we are now. 249 00:20:21,895 --> 00:20:24,805 The city is, you know, we got Ballards in the streets. 250 00:20:24,805 --> 00:20:26,815 We got, you know, it's, it's like you can't drive here. 251 00:20:26,815 --> 00:20:27,745 You can't drive there. 252 00:20:28,015 --> 00:20:32,005 And the city's mentality is very much of a suburb. 253 00:20:32,845 --> 00:20:38,345 You know, we're people live here, they work elsewhere, and that's not how a city is supposed to function. 254 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:41,645 You're supposed to work here and live in the city or somewhere else. 255 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:42,335 Yeah. 256 00:20:42,335 --> 00:20:45,785 So becoming a suburb fight is fighting against. 257 00:20:45,785 --> 00:20:49,925 And what do you not see in suburbs? Homeless people? Diversity. 258 00:20:50,675 --> 00:20:55,565 You know, you don't need many buses because it's, it's too difficult to do buses in the suburb. 259 00:20:55,805 --> 00:21:01,295 All those things that we city dwellers rely on, suburbanites aren't interested in. 260 00:21:01,445 --> 00:21:02,975 They don't want their tax dollars to go to that. 261 00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:04,235 All right. 262 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,005 I think this is a good spot for a break. 263 00:21:06,155 --> 00:21:08,345 Let's listen to the Mime Troops song. 264 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:11,555 Look in the Eye from the show Breakdown. 265 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:13,100 Spare change. 266 00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:14,510 Spare change. 267 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:18,140 So I tell her, I said, Margaret, if you don't sign the lease, I will. 268 00:21:18,410 --> 00:21:19,130 Excuse me. 269 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:26,330 What kind of fool let's a two bedroom, two and a half bath and burn height slip through their fingers? Spare change. 270 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:28,820 The value was only gonna go up on all the oh, 10. 271 00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:29,660 It's getting moved out. 272 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,190 Hey lady, it's up on. 273 00:21:31,235 --> 00:21:31,535 Balm. 274 00:21:32,975 --> 00:21:36,275 You see me? I see you see me. 275 00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:41,705 But you walk on by, I just need a couple bucks near the park. 276 00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:48,065 You hear me? I know you hear me, but there's no reply. 277 00:21:48,245 --> 00:21:49,835 I just a couple of quarters. 278 00:21:49,925 --> 00:21:51,335 Beautiful view of the bay. 279 00:21:51,755 --> 00:21:55,985 Every day you see me, do you look me in the eye? You could. 280 00:21:56,005 --> 00:22:04,555 Say hello and let me know you don't want me to die with some change or just a smile or a book or even chat. 281 00:22:05,035 --> 00:22:14,815 Say, sorry, I can't today, and I see you don't look the other way. 282 00:22:19,465 --> 00:22:22,435 So we're in a real culture war in the city. 283 00:22:23,615 --> 00:22:25,415 Which is making it difficult. 284 00:22:25,415 --> 00:22:26,495 We need to make this. 285 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:30,065 What is the purpose of San Francisco? This is an important question. 286 00:22:31,205 --> 00:22:32,345 Most cities are a port. 287 00:22:33,275 --> 00:22:35,705 They're a trade center, they're a banking center. 288 00:22:36,425 --> 00:22:37,655 They, they make something. 289 00:22:38,405 --> 00:22:42,065 What is San Francisco? We're not a port anymore. 290 00:22:42,605 --> 00:22:44,135 We're not a banking center anymore. 291 00:22:44,795 --> 00:22:48,995 What is the purpose of San Francisco now? For me, it should be culture. 292 00:22:50,405 --> 00:22:55,385 If we can become, we can be a real home of culture. 293 00:22:55,385 --> 00:22:59,735 People should come all over to see our stuff and, and we should be exporting art. 294 00:23:00,215 --> 00:23:17,525 But right now we don't have a, a purpose, and I think that's what kind of the death throes in a way and struggles in the city is do we continue to be a city and grow and have a purpose, or do we lose our purpose and remain a suburb? Mm-hmm. 295 00:23:19,055 --> 00:23:23,135 Well look, I think Covid had a big influence on that especially Yes. 296 00:23:23,135 --> 00:23:25,585 On these empty buildings in the financial district. 297 00:23:26,215 --> 00:23:26,575 Yes. 298 00:23:26,845 --> 00:23:34,905 But they, I mean, we were having problems before that and now cause it's like, I don't know how often you get, have a chance to go to Powell and market quite, quite often. 299 00:23:35,925 --> 00:23:36,135 Yeah. 300 00:23:36,135 --> 00:23:38,265 So if you walk up Powell Yeah. 301 00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:40,065 And all of those empty stores. 302 00:23:40,305 --> 00:23:40,605 Yeah. 303 00:23:41,055 --> 00:23:43,635 That was like solid gold real estate before Covid. 304 00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:43,845 I know. 305 00:23:44,835 --> 00:23:47,055 And it used to be, and now they're just traffic like crazy. 306 00:23:47,055 --> 00:23:48,675 Now you can just, yeah, break through. 307 00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:50,865 Right now it's nothing. 308 00:23:50,865 --> 00:23:50,925 Yeah. 309 00:23:51,195 --> 00:24:00,805 Because again, like, you know, if you, if you don't have workers who need to be around then, then there's no reason for them to go to the stores. 310 00:24:00,805 --> 00:24:02,245 There's no reason for them to shop. 311 00:24:02,635 --> 00:24:03,655 We lose all of that. 312 00:24:03,955 --> 00:24:06,685 But the other reason that someone would go downtown is culture. 313 00:24:07,735 --> 00:24:12,565 You know, you go down to go to the big venues to see a concert, to see a play, to see that singer. 314 00:24:12,595 --> 00:24:12,685 Mm-hmm. 315 00:24:12,955 --> 00:24:15,625 When piano fight was allowed to die. 316 00:24:16,265 --> 00:24:16,555 Yeah. 317 00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:23,036 But you know, you think about if they had just said Twitter had to pay some tax, that would've paid for piano fight 10 years. 318 00:24:23,125 --> 00:24:26,425 Piano fight years was a a, yeah, it was a, was a nexus. 319 00:24:26,635 --> 00:24:27,835 I love that place of artists. 320 00:24:27,835 --> 00:24:29,635 And it was really rebuilding that area. 321 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,675 And the city as somebody wrote in an artist in New York, they were like, yeah, that had been New York. 322 00:24:34,735 --> 00:24:36,415 The city would've stepped in and tried to save them. 323 00:24:36,955 --> 00:24:38,065 Yeah, they would've, they would've bought the building. 324 00:24:38,335 --> 00:24:39,415 Yeah, they would've, they would've signed. 325 00:24:39,475 --> 00:24:45,325 But San Francisco is like, even despite the fact that everybody is always saying, we're so about culture. 326 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,905 That was not that much money. 327 00:24:47,935 --> 00:24:49,765 It was a few thousand dollars a month. 328 00:24:49,975 --> 00:24:50,155 Yeah. 329 00:24:50,185 --> 00:24:51,355 That they were short nothing. 330 00:24:51,355 --> 00:24:56,815 But look at the money we throw at, at, at tax breaks that we throw around. 331 00:24:57,025 --> 00:24:57,325 Yeah. 332 00:24:57,375 --> 00:24:58,725 To make the rich richer. 333 00:25:00,015 --> 00:25:12,375 You know, it is so thoughtless and shortsighted that it's, it's kind of astounding that any of the people who are on the board of supervisors, there are a couple supervisors that that seem to see. 334 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:34,650 Have a vision of the city that doesn't involve a trickle down economics, but most of, most of the political leaders here really seem to truly believe that if you can just make rich people richer, shine things up and arrest enough people, you will reinvigorate downtown San Francisco. 335 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:40,350 But those aren't things that's, no, that's still not a reason to go. 336 00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:44,190 You know, and give people, provide jobs, you know? Yeah. 337 00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:45,420 The city used to have factories. 338 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:46,890 We have no factories anymore. 339 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:47,280 Right. 340 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:48,240 You know? Yeah. 341 00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:49,470 We have no waterfront. 342 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:55,170 All of the stuff that made San Francisco, San Francisco in the last 50 years has been cultural. 343 00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:58,530 What happened to the waterfront and now we're losing that, the waterfront. 344 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:58,950 Okay. 345 00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:06,570 So the Bay Bridge, you know, remember how the other, the part of the Bay Bridge that, that Became structurally slightly unsound. 346 00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:10,860 And so they decided to replace the entire thing for billions of dollars rather than just fix it. 347 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:11,430 Yeah. 348 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,710 That part always looked like a train bridge because the Bay Bridge was built as a train bridge. 349 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:17,730 Yes, I know. 350 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:18,420 Yeah. 351 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Right. 352 00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:23,850 And when they got rid of the trains off of the Bay Bridge, it killed the Port of San Francisco. 353 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Hmm. 354 00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:29,685 Because why would you unload your ship here? You know, you've gotta Oakland put it on trucks. 355 00:26:29,895 --> 00:26:30,165 Yeah. 356 00:26:30,555 --> 00:26:32,715 Go to Oakland and then you put it on trains. 357 00:26:33,165 --> 00:26:33,375 Yeah. 358 00:26:33,405 --> 00:26:38,265 So once they got rid of that, and, and then it was like 10 years later, they went, oh crap, we need Bart. 359 00:26:38,745 --> 00:26:51,105 But you know, these little shortsighted things, I mean, that was done by I think it was Ford and Firestone bought the train run lines that were on the Bay Bridge and then tore 'em up and said they were gonna replace them and never did. 360 00:26:52,215 --> 00:26:53,655 But the city should never have allowed that. 361 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,305 The city and county should never have allowed that. 362 00:26:55,815 --> 00:27:00,585 So by losing the port, by not having, there's no reason for ships to be here. 363 00:27:01,195 --> 00:27:08,995 Climate change has made it so that Fisherman's Wharf has become less and less about fishing, you know, which was an industry. 364 00:27:09,235 --> 00:27:09,655 Yes. 365 00:27:09,985 --> 00:27:13,765 We are, we're there's no need for us to be a banking hub anymore. 366 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:17,245 I mean, when B of A and Wells Fargo kinda left and. 367 00:27:17,855 --> 00:27:22,385 You can do that from anywhere now, so you don't need that central tower anymore. 368 00:27:22,655 --> 00:27:22,745 Mm-hmm. 369 00:27:23,045 --> 00:27:26,285 But the thing that can't be moved is live performance. 370 00:27:26,795 --> 00:27:26,975 Yeah. 371 00:27:27,155 --> 00:27:29,495 The thing that can't be really moved is culture. 372 00:27:30,245 --> 00:27:38,765 And we could be, like, London is, is shifting, you know, different cities that are shifting to try to be about things that have to happen there. 373 00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:46,880 But anyway as far as the San Francisco march, it's concerned we're one of those things that have to happen here. 374 00:27:46,885 --> 00:27:55,310 I mean, we'll tour with this show and we'll go around, maybe around Northern California this year because we still don't wanna get too far a field because of covid. 375 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,820 You know, we don't wanna be staying with people or, or, you know, if anybody in this show gets sick, that kind of messes us up. 376 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:04,840 But but the idea of. 377 00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:19,750 What is a city? How does it take care of the, the most vulnerable and don't believe the, the conservative and libertarian hype about how to solve these problems are issues for every, every town. 378 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:22,570 Yeah, it's not just San Francisco. 379 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:26,490 It's it's all over the, the country in, in varying degrees. 380 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:28,560 And, you know, Oakland. 381 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:28,680 Yeah. 382 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:29,610 In, in the Bay Area. 383 00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:31,200 Oakland has huge problems. 384 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,780 San Jose has really bad problems. 385 00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:42,260 San Francisco gets most of the attention because it's, you know, San Francisco, but because it's San Francisco and also it is, like I said, it's a, it's an example. 386 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:45,610 It it's a, it's the, what San Francisco represents to people. 387 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:47,740 The rest of the country is progressivism. 388 00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:53,200 And so if they can show progressivism failing, then they can go See, we need to be more like Florida. 389 00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:55,420 Florida has a homeless problem. 390 00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:56,440 You never hear about it. 391 00:28:57,130 --> 00:29:00,460 You know, they have, maybe it's only because they have so many other problems. 392 00:29:00,970 --> 00:29:03,100 You know, they're shooting each other. 393 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,440 The cu, the whole state is sinking. 394 00:29:05,770 --> 00:29:08,820 They, they, they, you know I keep trying to restrict who can vote. 395 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,050 Florida has a lot of problems. 396 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:12,750 You don't hear as much about their, the unhoused down there. 397 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,660 But. 398 00:29:14,685 --> 00:29:24,465 All of these issues, things that we need to be focusing on in a longer term commitment to make our country a better place. 399 00:29:25,695 --> 00:29:39,675 And what we're getting right now are short-term solutions that simply take that, that problem out of your eye line, you know, is like, well, if we could just get all the unhoused over there and then you'll have more money to be rich. 400 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:48,420 I mean, right now, the, the idea of civic responsibility and fellow citizenship has been thrown out the window by the conservatives. 401 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,410 Totally, totally. 402 00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:55,810 It is just, if it is, does not profit you personally, then it is worthless. 403 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:58,570 And if you're not rich, you're a loser. 404 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:59,410 Exactly. 405 00:29:59,470 --> 00:30:04,040 There's lot over you allity towards those who are suffering. 406 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:04,880 It's really. 407 00:30:05,555 --> 00:30:06,665 It's really disgusting. 408 00:30:07,565 --> 00:30:11,735 Yeah, I just got that from, I think people get angry if they feel like they can't do anything sometimes. 409 00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:12,205 No, I agree. 410 00:30:12,245 --> 00:30:16,565 I mean, sometimes some people are just sociopaths who are taking advantage of fear and frustration. 411 00:30:16,565 --> 00:30:16,725 I agree. 412 00:30:16,725 --> 00:30:20,225 I don't, they might not be even aware that that's what they're doing, you know? Right. 413 00:30:20,675 --> 00:30:21,005 Yeah. 414 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:25,130 I mean, I even have family members who, who do, who react that way. 415 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:28,190 And I know they're the, the ni in their heart, they're the nicest people. 416 00:30:28,790 --> 00:30:28,970 Right. 417 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:31,700 I, I think they don't realize that they're afraid. 418 00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:33,410 They get, they, they feel helpless. 419 00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:41,270 And so some of the ways that people react if they're not thinking about it, is they blame, they blame, they blame, they blame the person who's suffering. 420 00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:41,360 Mm-hmm. 421 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,760 Often the blood, the person who's suffering. 422 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:45,230 Yeah. 423 00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:50,720 And yeah, I think if they really sat down and, and were open to thinking about it, they probably wouldn't do that. 424 00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:52,940 It's just, it's just like, it's fear. 425 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:54,320 Yeah. 426 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:57,350 And, and, and if you can't do anything right now, you can't do anything. 427 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:57,890 Yeah. 428 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,960 But don't blame the person who needs the help. 429 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,250 Yeah. 430 00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:01,730 Right. 431 00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:07,790 I'm, I'm curious about the the Marsha Stone character, the FA Fox commentator. 432 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:08,850 Yeah. 433 00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:25,065 Is she like, like personally a quote unquote bad person, or is she more of a, like a cog in this pro who got stuck in this process? Does she have any conscience, I guess is what I'm asking? And I don't want to you to give away anything in the, in the show. 434 00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:33,605 Well, I think that way I can answer it is You don't wanna make an assumption about what was the thing that made a person the way they are. 435 00:31:33,875 --> 00:31:33,965 Mm-hmm. 436 00:31:34,355 --> 00:31:43,595 You know, you can learn stuff no matter how much you disagree with someone, and it doesn't mean that you like them, but you can find out through what they say and the way they act. 437 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:49,115 That there might have been something that happened to them in the past, some trigger that turned them into the person they are now. 438 00:31:49,565 --> 00:31:49,745 Okay. 439 00:31:49,955 --> 00:31:57,005 And it doesn't mean that they're forgivable, it doesn't mean that they're suddenly nice or should got get a seat at the table with everybody else. 440 00:31:57,305 --> 00:32:00,575 They still can be a horrible person, but you understand them a little bit better. 441 00:32:01,445 --> 00:32:05,255 And for me, she represents a certain type mm-hmm. 442 00:32:05,555 --> 00:32:11,475 Of you know, folk who feel like the only way this is the best way to get ahead is. 443 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,225 To voice something that seems counterintuitive. 444 00:32:16,425 --> 00:32:33,765 You know, there are people who are just like, well, the, one of the easiest ways to really get on national attention and get a good regular job is to be a black conservative, because the conservative movement will rush towards you. 445 00:32:33,855 --> 00:32:34,395 That's true. 446 00:32:34,395 --> 00:32:40,065 To hire you because they, they want you to be that black guy who always sat behind Trump at every rally. 447 00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:41,835 When he was running the first time. 448 00:32:42,075 --> 00:32:42,135 Yeah. 449 00:32:42,135 --> 00:32:43,245 It was the same guy. 450 00:32:43,365 --> 00:32:43,755 I know. 451 00:32:43,815 --> 00:32:44,805 He was the same guy. 452 00:32:45,075 --> 00:32:48,275 That was that time when he said, where's my black guy? And he turned around, you know? And there he was. 453 00:32:48,275 --> 00:32:50,275 There, he's there, he's, yeah, there. 454 00:32:50,275 --> 00:33:04,075 He's, so if you can be, he love, you know be able to, to, to, to mouth the, you know, like, you know, the libertarian neo, not the talking points well enough and you're not white. 455 00:33:04,855 --> 00:33:06,265 You can get a job. 456 00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:08,020 Because they will, they will. 457 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,930 Don't you people forget, like the guy who ran the Proud Boys. 458 00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:11,320 Yeah. 459 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,100 Who, he's in prison now. 460 00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:13,870 He's not white. 461 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:14,890 I know. 462 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,970 You know? Yeah. 463 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,140 And yeah. 464 00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:19,630 Is he Hispanic or, yeah. 465 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:20,020 Yeah. 466 00:33:20,025 --> 00:33:23,860 He's partly Hispanic, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 467 00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:34,810 And, and the, there's a guy recently, the guy who was beating pe these people at January 6th, who beat one of the police officers with a fire extinguisher or something, not black. 468 00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:36,775 You know, I mean, he's not white. 469 00:33:36,775 --> 00:33:36,955 Sorry. 470 00:33:36,955 --> 00:33:37,405 He is not white. 471 00:33:37,405 --> 00:33:37,465 Yeah. 472 00:33:37,735 --> 00:33:51,415 And so, so there are, you know, you can be celebrated, you know, by and, and be surrounded by people who, under any other circumstance would hate you except for the fact that you're agreeing with them. 473 00:33:52,165 --> 00:33:56,335 And that can give you prestige and a full-time paying job. 474 00:33:56,335 --> 00:34:00,115 You can be a, a pundit somewhere, you know, you can get a gig. 475 00:34:00,415 --> 00:34:04,255 So, Marsha Stone, the, the Fox News commentator, she's a person of color. 476 00:34:05,215 --> 00:34:06,055 Yes, actress. 477 00:34:06,115 --> 00:34:06,385 Okay. 478 00:34:07,315 --> 00:34:07,555 Okay. 479 00:34:07,615 --> 00:34:07,885 Yeah. 480 00:34:08,215 --> 00:34:08,665 Interesting. 481 00:34:08,665 --> 00:34:18,965 And so, yeah, that, that, and we, you know, we've used that in different shows every once in a while, but never quite this blatantly. 482 00:34:19,415 --> 00:34:19,715 Right. 483 00:34:19,775 --> 00:34:23,275 You know, sometimes we'll have, you know, we'll have that character who's. 484 00:34:24,805 --> 00:34:28,105 Kinda like for whatever reason, however they were raised or something that happened to them. 485 00:34:28,165 --> 00:34:42,025 Like I said, they seem to be working a against their best interests, but at this time it was just like as I was writing and I was like, oh, we normally would come up with some fun name for Fox or fun name for this, or something that sounded, and I was like, you know what, it's Fox. 486 00:34:42,175 --> 00:34:49,045 I noticed that, you know, that's the first time I can remember you ever doing that, where you, it's like, oh, I know what they're talking about. 487 00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:50,305 You're, but you're just saying it. 488 00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:54,910 This time it's Fox and Rupert Murdoch is a character, you know. 489 00:34:54,910 --> 00:34:55,090 Oh, great. 490 00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:56,110 In the play. 491 00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:56,950 Yeah. 492 00:34:57,190 --> 00:35:03,820 And, and it's not, I mean, those other shows are always fun and it gave us a little more leeway, but this time it's just like, it's just So now Yeah. 493 00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:04,360 That. 494 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,020 You know, I don't wanna even give the audience a chance to kind of go, well, it's, it's fun. 495 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:15,760 It's not that fun, you know? No, I always get blown away and just amazed and flabbergasted by people like Candace Owens. 496 00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:25,840 You know? It's like, yeah, where is she coming from? Does she really, really, truly believe this stuff? Or is she just hooked on the attention? And the money. 497 00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:31,450 I mean, it's could, it's probably a, a se like I said, the path that you find to success. 498 00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:31,960 Yeah. 499 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,245 And then, you know, some, sometimes it's like it thinking about what's her name? Megan Kelly, and she left Yeah. 500 00:35:37,275 --> 00:35:37,815 Fox. 501 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:38,225 Mm-hmm. 502 00:35:38,355 --> 00:35:53,085 And she was saying how sexist it was, and it's like, didn't you watch Fox? You know, How ridiculous is it to have somebody, you know, you left Fox, you went to work for them, and now you're gonna complain that they were sexist. 503 00:35:53,745 --> 00:35:58,785 I mean, I'm glad you said something, but I can't believe You're shocked, you're surprised. 504 00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:59,745 You're, oh my goodness. 505 00:35:59,865 --> 00:36:23,795 You know, I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on here, you know? So the same with all of these, these folk who you know, it's like, do you really think that when you leave the room, When Candace Owens leaves the room, some of the comments are gonna be sexist and a bunch of them are gonna be racist because she's dealing with sexist and racists, but she's being well paid for it. 506 00:36:24,125 --> 00:36:30,635 And also she might truly, honestly be that blind to really think, this is the world the way I want it to be. 507 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,115 And it's like, if those people win, you're the first one out the window. 508 00:36:34,655 --> 00:36:36,995 You know, they're not gonna share power with you. 509 00:36:37,355 --> 00:36:37,625 No. 510 00:36:38,165 --> 00:36:38,855 Definitely not. 511 00:36:39,305 --> 00:36:39,575 Yeah. 512 00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:41,495 Not in any real way. 513 00:36:42,485 --> 00:36:42,875 No. 514 00:36:43,265 --> 00:36:43,535 No. 515 00:36:44,195 --> 00:36:44,435 Hmm. 516 00:36:45,155 --> 00:36:47,345 So again, musical comedy. 517 00:36:50,225 --> 00:36:53,065 Well, you guys always, you still always make things funny. 518 00:36:54,755 --> 00:36:59,835 Well, yeah, and that's somebody Kodo Carrero, who's a collective member, and she's the costume designer on this show. 519 00:37:00,075 --> 00:37:00,165 Mm-hmm. 520 00:37:00,735 --> 00:37:01,995 We were talking about that yesterday. 521 00:37:01,995 --> 00:37:08,955 She was doing an interview and they were saying, yeah, well how do you make this all so funny? Every year? These, these very serious issues. 522 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,555 So funny. 523 00:37:09,615 --> 00:37:16,945 And it's, you know, we don't necessarily, we try not to make fun of the working class victims. 524 00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:37,420 You know, of these te of these policies, but, and we don't wanna make the, the oppressors objects of fun, but it's really about how people twist and turn themselves to try to fit into an inhuman machine. 525 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:47,390 They, you know, the hypocrisy and hyper hyperbolic things that they say and do so that, that they can get to, so that they can try to fit. 526 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,760 And then sometimes they realize they just shouldn't even be trying that. 527 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:50,400 Mm-hmm. 528 00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:54,140 So the farce is in the attempt? Yeah. 529 00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:58,670 You know, the farce is in trying to live, trying to act. 530 00:37:58,790 --> 00:38:05,150 Basically, if you have sane people in an insane situation, they're trying to make themselves insane to fit in. 531 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:05,960 Yes. 532 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:09,230 And then at some point, hopefully they go, I don't wanna be insane. 533 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,090 Fitting in isn't the thing. 534 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:27,650 That's why, that's why it's funny because I, I, I always feel like there are archetypes that you, that you describe in detail very well, and these people, they're like pegs that somehow by chance or whatever, ended up fitting into those things and they're perpetuating the machine. 535 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:32,930 And we all see it and you make it funny and it makes us think, but we don't, we don't like end up. 536 00:38:33,935 --> 00:38:36,545 Necessarily hating the characters in your play. 537 00:38:36,635 --> 00:38:39,435 It's, it's more like yeah, I get it. 538 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,825 I get this. 539 00:38:39,825 --> 00:38:40,395 Well, it's too easy. 540 00:38:40,395 --> 00:38:47,535 Situation needs to be fixed because it's like, if it wasn't for those individuals, it would probably be somebody else. 541 00:38:48,525 --> 00:38:49,035 You know what I mean? Yeah. 542 00:38:49,275 --> 00:38:53,495 Then it's not that there was a point when When Bush two and Cheney were in office. 543 00:38:53,945 --> 00:38:54,125 Yeah. 544 00:38:54,155 --> 00:38:59,575 And and I ended up using Cheney a lot in shows, mainly because they had, Holmes was at the company and he looked like Dick Cheney. 545 00:38:59,635 --> 00:38:59,845 Yeah. 546 00:38:59,845 --> 00:39:00,415 And he, and he's great. 547 00:39:00,415 --> 00:39:04,856 I mean, how could you get any funnier than Dick Cheney? Right, right, right, right. 548 00:39:05,545 --> 00:39:11,395 But at the same time, I wanted to make sure to always emphasize that it's the system. 549 00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:15,400 You know, it's not chaining like you were saying somebody else would be there. 550 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:22,870 It's the philosophy of profit over humanity, you know, and that and power and propaganda. 551 00:39:23,285 --> 00:39:24,485 The, the class war there. 552 00:39:24,485 --> 00:39:30,495 Only one side has been fighting people not seeing that just because they, they have a nice apartment. 553 00:39:30,495 --> 00:39:34,605 It doesn't mean they're not in the working class cuz they're still workers. 554 00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,875 I got in an argument with the guy on the street cuz that's what I do. 555 00:39:38,365 --> 00:39:41,845 We were talking about, I was saying, you know you know how, how. 556 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,995 The system has to work for us to benefit to benefit more people. 557 00:39:46,475 --> 00:39:54,065 And he was saying, well, is you and me? We got together, we could start a YouTube channel and if we got a million viewers, then we'd be like, cap rich capitalists. 558 00:39:54,065 --> 00:39:55,235 And I didn't stop him. 559 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:55,965 I feel bad about this. 560 00:39:55,965 --> 00:40:05,615 This was like a month ago and I didn't, I argued some other points, but I never stopped him right there and said, if we're working hard on a YouTube channel, we are not capitalists. 561 00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:07,720 That's not what capitalists do. 562 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,660 Capitalism is your money working for you. 563 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:13,510 The goal of any capitalist is to not work. 564 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,480 Right? Create as much passive income as possible, right? Your money works for you. 565 00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:19,960 Yeah. 566 00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:26,830 If you, but if you are working and you rely on your income to pay your rent, to have food, to take care of stuff, you're in the working class. 567 00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:35,020 And the great trick that capitalism has done is to make people associate themselves with capitalism, even though they themselves are not capitalists. 568 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:37,240 They support capitalism. 569 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:39,790 They'll die for capitalism, but they're workers. 570 00:40:40,735 --> 00:40:43,705 they should be working on socialism, anarchy. 571 00:40:43,885 --> 00:40:51,595 They should be working on, on systems that benefit the workers first, instead of supporting a system that benefits the capitalists first. 572 00:40:51,775 --> 00:40:54,505 The capitalists have money because they're underpaying the workers. 573 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:56,230 It's so frustrating. 574 00:40:56,770 --> 00:40:57,580 The billionaires. 575 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:58,450 Yeah. 576 00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:02,140 The billionaires, the Rupert Mur, all these people are, are, yeah. 577 00:41:02,140 --> 00:41:02,480 El Musk. 578 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,680 Keeping Musk our consciousness to not understand that because Yeah, they're the ones who are riffing the job. 579 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,940 We think that they haven't earned that money. 580 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,390 Yeah. 581 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:22,720 That they, they convinced enough people that, that they themselves have earned all of this money and it's like, no, you are just, I mean, a dollar a week, whatever you are underpaying your workers. 582 00:41:23,485 --> 00:41:27,235 That's where your wealth is coming from is underpaying your workers. 583 00:41:27,625 --> 00:41:29,125 That is how it's created. 584 00:41:29,635 --> 00:41:42,715 It is because the, the, the, the thing you actually need that would, you need for that chair is always gonna cost about the same amount of money, shipping it, doing all that stuff, but shaping it into a chair and how much you pay that worker. 585 00:41:42,865 --> 00:41:44,275 That's the only variable. 586 00:41:44,665 --> 00:41:47,785 And if you can pay them less, you get to keep more. 587 00:41:48,355 --> 00:41:49,615 That's capitalism. 588 00:41:50,005 --> 00:41:50,125 Right. 589 00:41:50,125 --> 00:42:11,345 You know? And so it's just so these people are rich because, so when we're walking around the world going, wow, why are things so bad? Why are there so many poor people? Why do I feel poorer than I did 10 years ago? And then you look at the front page and you go, Elon Musk is shooting a sports car in a space, or somebody's got a super yacht, they are super rich because we are struggling. 590 00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:12,250 Yes. 591 00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:15,370 And we are struggling because they are super rich. 592 00:42:15,490 --> 00:42:15,580 Right. 593 00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:17,500 We don't need more billionaires. 594 00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:19,450 We don't even need more a hundred millionaires. 595 00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:21,400 We need more a hundred thousandaires. 596 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:22,360 Yeah. 597 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:23,260 You know? Yeah. 598 00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:30,945 If we were all making enough to live s and they were making significantly less, The world would be a better place. 599 00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:34,965 I was just in Europe and I noticed that that's pretty much what's happening there. 600 00:42:34,965 --> 00:42:37,625 I'm not to say they don't have problems, of course they do, but Oh, they do. 601 00:42:37,625 --> 00:42:37,825 Yeah. 602 00:42:38,025 --> 00:42:40,965 But there are restrictions on how much CEOs can make. 603 00:42:41,475 --> 00:42:44,655 They're yeah, they, they actually do build. 604 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,790 Housing for the poor, and you'll see it in the big cities. 605 00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:53,690 And I, I'm not saying that they've built it attractively or anything like that. 606 00:42:53,780 --> 00:43:00,380 We hopefully can do better, but, you know, you know, 20 story really super ugly apartment buildings and they're all over the place. 607 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,050 But you don't have people living on the street for the most part. 608 00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:04,670 Well, a few, right. 609 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:06,350 But everyone, yeah. 610 00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:09,680 Who can be housed mostly is housed. 611 00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:10,370 Yeah. 612 00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:12,080 Well there's a, there's a full of billionaire. 613 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:13,280 No, it's not. 614 00:43:13,655 --> 00:43:14,285 But that's great. 615 00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:14,345 Yeah. 616 00:43:15,125 --> 00:43:15,305 Yeah. 617 00:43:15,755 --> 00:43:32,655 But there's a, I think there's a fundamental philosophical and psychological issue, which is, especially in Europe, but really most places in the world, not as much China, but especially in Europe there, there's a, a focus on no. 618 00:43:32,655 --> 00:43:36,075 Even in Eastern Europe, there's a focus on Yeah, definitely the town. 619 00:43:36,465 --> 00:43:36,675 Yeah. 620 00:43:36,705 --> 00:43:39,075 You know, there's focus on the town is the town. 621 00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:39,555 Yes. 622 00:43:39,615 --> 00:43:41,115 There is no frontier. 623 00:43:41,505 --> 00:43:42,465 No Yourt. 624 00:43:42,495 --> 00:43:43,755 This is how big it is. 625 00:43:44,175 --> 00:43:45,255 Your town is this big. 626 00:43:45,255 --> 00:43:48,255 It's a city state and then it, it's a country, but that's pretty much it. 627 00:43:48,645 --> 00:43:49,995 Portugal is really like that. 628 00:43:51,495 --> 00:43:51,855 Yeah. 629 00:43:52,155 --> 00:43:57,165 But I So was Spain, even under Franco, Spain was like, we've gotta build more houses. 630 00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:57,405 Yeah. 631 00:43:57,475 --> 00:44:07,645 You know, Germany, east Germany, Soviet Union, they were like, these are the towns, you know, England, Scotland, these are the towns and we have to support this town. 632 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:10,225 Whereas the United States fundamentally has a. 633 00:44:10,835 --> 00:44:14,735 A built into our culture is the idea of an endless frontier. 634 00:44:15,545 --> 00:44:15,725 Yeah. 635 00:44:16,115 --> 00:44:18,185 You can always go west, young man, you know? Right. 636 00:44:18,335 --> 00:44:19,475 There's always more space. 637 00:44:19,475 --> 00:44:23,315 You could always come out west, you could always, you could go to Alaska. 638 00:44:23,545 --> 00:44:28,975 the end of the American frontier didn't, we didn't, it didn't end until like the fifties. 639 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,940 When when Alaska became a state, you know, in late forties, early fifties, that's when the frontier finally ended. 640 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:41,430 But up until then and built into everything is you can always just pick up and leave and go west. 641 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:53,250 And so there was no, so the idea of taking care of people on that kind of like we in this town have to have to reflect on how we treat each other. 642 00:44:54,120 --> 00:45:01,710 Is not as fundamental as it would be if you lived in a city that had been under siege, you know, literally under siege before. 643 00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:01,890 Yeah. 644 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:02,670 Many times. 645 00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:02,970 Yeah. 646 00:45:02,975 --> 00:45:03,180 Right. 647 00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:05,700 That gets baked into your, your thinking. 648 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:06,150 Yeah. 649 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,790 So I mean that's, that's cuz I'm, you know, I was a history major, so I always think it's like history up to this point. 650 00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:12,540 Yeah, me too. 651 00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:12,910 Yeah. 652 00:45:12,915 --> 00:45:13,240 Yeah. 653 00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:18,200 Whenever somebody says to me history doesn't make any difference, I just think that's cuz you're trying to cover something up. 654 00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:30,945 You know, if you say history, that means you're a, you're, you know, you're a holocaust denier or a, a slavery denni you something you parents were, Nazis, something that you're trying to back off of. 655 00:45:31,275 --> 00:45:36,765 So you need is important for you to say history doesn't matter, but history is the only thing. 656 00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:38,880 Everything we did is history. 657 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,760 The future doesn't exist yet and the present doesn't exist. 658 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:43,710 As soon as you say something, it's history. 659 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:45,360 Everything is history. 660 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,700 And if you don't study and understand history, you're gonna end up in the same situation. 661 00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:54,810 And that's why it's so important for them to try to keep us from learning history. 662 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:55,980 Yeah. 663 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:59,460 Now they're trying to, anyway, ban the book so we learn less about you. 664 00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:59,730 Yeah. 665 00:46:00,615 --> 00:46:01,995 And other things. 666 00:46:02,335 --> 00:46:10,255 So tell us what audiences can expect from breakdown in terms of music, performances, the overall experience. 667 00:46:10,255 --> 00:46:14,455 How long is the show? Is there an intervention? No, the show's a no. 668 00:46:14,515 --> 00:46:14,815 Nope. 669 00:46:15,145 --> 00:46:15,865 We don't, we, yeah. 670 00:46:15,865 --> 00:46:16,375 It's hard to do it. 671 00:46:16,375 --> 00:46:17,755 Never have inter Yeah. 672 00:46:18,085 --> 00:46:18,325 Yeah. 673 00:46:18,565 --> 00:46:22,255 We've had stretches and this show's about 1 25. 674 00:46:22,745 --> 00:46:23,035 Okay. 675 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,740 It's different from some mitro shows in that, you know, we have. 676 00:46:26,295 --> 00:46:28,845 A pure dance, a couple of pure dance numbers in the show. 677 00:46:29,115 --> 00:46:29,355 Mm-hmm. 678 00:46:30,055 --> 00:46:31,345 Which we normally don't do. 679 00:46:31,795 --> 00:46:33,085 It's also a very different cast. 680 00:46:33,085 --> 00:46:36,525 People who've seen a lot of mine from shows won't recognize a bunch of, of these people. 681 00:46:36,525 --> 00:46:36,925 Yeah, I saw that. 682 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:37,975 I didn't recognize anyone. 683 00:46:38,005 --> 00:46:38,275 Yeah. 684 00:46:38,515 --> 00:46:38,805 Yeah. 685 00:46:38,935 --> 00:46:42,625 I mean, they're wonderful actors and they're people that we've been wanting to work with for a while. 686 00:46:42,955 --> 00:46:43,075 Yeah. 687 00:46:43,265 --> 00:46:45,475 And a couple of them were, were in. 688 00:46:46,025 --> 00:46:51,665 My show, the Great Con, when it played at SF Playhouse, I really pushed for these two actors cause I wanted to work with them. 689 00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:52,205 Yeah. 690 00:46:52,205 --> 00:47:00,295 And then when we came around to this show Jamella across and Keena Cantor, I really wanted to work with them cuz I thought they, they'd fit our style. 691 00:47:00,655 --> 00:47:04,135 And Jed Presario just hilariously. 692 00:47:04,415 --> 00:47:08,085 Funny actor good character actor, and Alicia mp. 693 00:47:08,145 --> 00:47:15,405 Alicia MP Nelson, who has was in the show last year, the Mind Troop Show last year as Zoe the Teenager. 694 00:47:15,585 --> 00:47:15,735 Oh yeah. 695 00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:18,795 And this year is Sadia the social worker. 696 00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:19,245 Okay. 697 00:47:19,275 --> 00:47:23,470 And then Andrea Morico, who is our, like our most recent collective member at the Mind Troop. 698 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,820 He plays a bunch of Blink looting Rupert Murdoch. 699 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:38,255 So, Yeah, so people will see the shows and they'll, they, it will be like, this is a whole different group of actors, but we do try to always bring in new people. 700 00:47:38,555 --> 00:47:38,645 Mm-hmm. 701 00:47:39,125 --> 00:47:39,935 To tell stories. 702 00:47:39,935 --> 00:47:45,065 You know, you can't just keep pretending like the world is the same place it was when you were doing things. 703 00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:50,940 You know, saying, you know they're just the show, the characters just get older and older and older with us. 704 00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:51,810 Yeah. 705 00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:55,860 It's like, no, there's shows that have to be mainly focused on younger folks too. 706 00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:57,330 So yeah. 707 00:47:57,335 --> 00:48:02,390 It's a, it's a comedy But it's a harsh comedy, like most mind TRO shows. 708 00:48:02,570 --> 00:48:02,810 Yeah. 709 00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:15,100 And this one is more psychological than some shows in that we're trying to deal with them when he's having mental issues and pt, s d and all of the pressures of living on the street. 710 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:25,550 And at the same time trying to, like I said, show their circumstance in a way that is meaningful and not mocking. 711 00:48:26,325 --> 00:48:27,555 But still be a comedy. 712 00:48:27,555 --> 00:48:31,965 I mean, that's always the struggle for, for myself and whoever's writing my troop shows. 713 00:48:32,355 --> 00:48:32,685 Yeah. 714 00:48:33,045 --> 00:48:33,405 Yeah. 715 00:48:34,575 --> 00:48:40,370 And and when does, when does it open? July? Well, we open in Berkeley this Saturday. 716 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:41,240 Oh, this Saturday. 717 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:41,480 Okay. 718 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,460 On the first, this Saturday. 719 00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:47,240 So yeah, I've gotta go back outside and we gotta run through starting in a little while. 720 00:48:47,260 --> 00:48:47,760 Oh, okay. 721 00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:50,840 And then it runs, Yeah, run through. 722 00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:51,440 Yeah. 723 00:48:51,440 --> 00:49:01,100 And then we'll run all summer, we'll do, we'll do Saturday and Sunday, and I think we're in Cedar Rose Park in San Francisco, and then on the 4th of July in San Francisco at Dolores Park. 724 00:49:01,610 --> 00:49:01,790 Great. 725 00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:02,090 Sorry. 726 00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:02,210 Yeah. 727 00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:06,980 Cedar Rose in Berkeley, the first and second, and Dolores Park in San Francisco on the fourth. 728 00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:09,020 And then we'll run all the way to Labor Day weekend. 729 00:49:09,425 --> 00:49:13,535 And if people wanted to find out when we're gonna be in their area, we'll go to Ukiah. 730 00:49:13,535 --> 00:49:16,415 We'll go down to Santa Cruz, play the East Bay. 731 00:49:16,715 --> 00:49:19,717 Go to sft.org 732 00:49:19,722 --> 00:49:23,765 and click the button that says schedule and you'll see when the mine troop will be in your neighborhood. 733 00:49:23,825 --> 00:49:27,725 That's their website, San Francisco mine troop sft.org. 734 00:49:27,935 --> 00:49:28,355 Great. 735 00:49:28,985 --> 00:49:32,655 And I hope, I hope you're gonna be over here at Mitchell Park in Palo Alto again. 736 00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:35,625 I, I believe so. 737 00:49:35,685 --> 00:49:36,645 I should look at the schedule. 738 00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:43,511 It's, it's it's a half mile from my house, so we could be, yeah, we played in that, we played in that semi-circle last year. 739 00:49:43,511 --> 00:49:45,551 That was different for us, but it worked. 740 00:49:45,731 --> 00:49:46,761 So we'll probably do that again. 741 00:49:46,761 --> 00:49:47,021 Yeah, that great. 742 00:49:47,021 --> 00:49:47,831 I really enjoyed it. 743 00:49:47,911 --> 00:49:48,201 Yeah. 744 00:49:48,206 --> 00:49:49,331 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 745 00:49:49,601 --> 00:49:50,171 All right. 746 00:49:50,471 --> 00:49:52,661 Well thank you so much for being here again. 747 00:49:52,931 --> 00:49:53,501 Oh, thanks for having me. 748 00:49:53,981 --> 00:49:55,211 Well, there you have it. 749 00:49:56,111 --> 00:49:57,971 My little chat with Michael J. 750 00:49:57,971 --> 00:50:00,971 Sullivan of the San Francisco Mime Troop. 751 00:50:02,501 --> 00:50:04,661 I'll be sure to go check out their show breakdown. 752 00:50:04,661 --> 00:50:13,631 It's going to be playing in venues all over the Bay Area for, gosh, three months, four months through September. 753 00:50:13,991 --> 00:50:14,621 Check it out. 754 00:50:15,191 --> 00:50:17,621 As I said, they always do great stuff. 755 00:50:19,631 --> 00:50:20,831 Hey, thanks so much for listening. 756 00:50:20,831 --> 00:50:23,261 If you enjoy this show, please tell your friends. 757 00:50:23,261 --> 00:50:25,001 I'd really, really appreciate it. 758 00:50:25,866 --> 00:50:29,346 Give me a rating on Apple Podcasts if you could. 759 00:50:29,346 --> 00:50:31,686 It helps out a lot for me to get more listeners. 760 00:50:32,406 --> 00:50:37,326 And if you wanna get ahold of me, just send an email to Green Room on air gmail.com. 761 00:50:38,586 --> 00:50:39,546 Have a great week. 762 00:50:39,756 --> 00:50:48,556 I'll talk to you soon, and until next time, I'll see you on the boards. 763 00:50:50,701 --> 00:50:51,931 Take care y'all. 764 00:50:53,221 --> 00:51:02,851 I'll leave you today with a track from my dear friend Carly Oard, singing Imagine by John Lennon. 765 00:51:12,841 --> 00:51:14,331 Imagine there's. 766 00:51:19,241 --> 00:51:20,051 It's easy. 767 00:51:39,276 --> 00:51:40,656 All the people. 768 00:51:57,651 --> 00:52:04,431 It isn't to do nothing. 769 00:52:17,661 --> 00:52:18,601 All the. 770 00:52:44,861 --> 00:52:45,761 You join us. 771 00:53:38,986 --> 00:53:39,206 I'm. 772 00:53:49,556 --> 00:53:52,976 Hope someday you'll join us.